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Istanbul: Grief, Share & Call

This message e-sent out on November 20, 2003
to a group of LM Friends...
Thank you so much for your sensibility and responsibility...
Related responses are below:

Terrorist attacks, war, destruction

When in history has the world been a peaceful place?

Will there ever be peace?

The answer is no. We should, however try to achieve it with every deed, with every thought.  It will lead us to personal peace.

If we strive for peace, we will contribute to compassion, tolerance and mental clarity in others.  We will gain power and energy and will be able to influence even more people.

I believe in analysis and reason.  I believe in technology.  I believe that most people are good.  Evil is rooted in irrationality, in wrong ideas because of lack of education and information.

The terrorists gave their lives to a cause. They believed they could change the course of history, and destruction and death would be the path to get there.

The result is death, suffering, devastation.

Everybody who has reason and education should try to spread it. Let's contribute to mental clarity, understanding of history, compassion and preservation.

Marianne A. KINZER
November 23, 2003, Chicago
E-mail: makinzer@lycos.com

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The bombings in Turkey have been covered here, in the UK, fully and with sympathy.

We (Geoff and I) thought of you, your friends, your family you may have or
know in Istanbul.  Our sympathy is with you and yours, dear Bircan

I don't know what the answer is.  Harvey Tordoff's moment by moment, small step by small step feels the right way forward and even before taking the small steps, considering each moment, movement, thought before making them

I had an image, then a dream
of everyone holding hands
and tiptoeing, slowly, through a land
of devastation

my hand holding yours
each fingertip pressed against warm flesh
our eyes sharing disbelief
of how such hate could come to pass

perhaps a mirror of our world
a world behind our world
with the dust of pain and rage
polished from the glass

could hold an answer?


with love and, sadness - and how hard to hold a vision of what our world could BE... against the weight of so much hate and fear...

Geraldine GREEN
Cumbria, United Kingdom  
November 21, 2003

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Istanbul/ 20 Kasim 2003


Blood---Covered my city--
And I'm sitting here
Wishing I could rip my heart out
So it wouldn't hurt anymore--
Saty for a minute
The blood is running down my hands
Stay for a moment-- listen to the silence and tears---
I am tired of dying for other' causes
Tired of losing my friends,
People I know--
People I don't know--
Peace seems so far away-- long awated-- never arriving--
And i sit here watch the blood drip from my hands and
Feel guilty
Cause as my people are dying--
I am here-- in New York--


Evrim SEL
November 21, 2003
New York
E-mail: Evbabe7800@aol.com

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"And with every step
Know that you are truly sacred,
And that all sentient beings are your kin,
For you are part of God
And God is all of you."

Harvey Tordoff
E-mail: harve@bigger-picture.co.uk

With all due respect to both my beloved friend Bircan and to Mr. Tordoff, I reject the above concept that all sentient beings are our kin. If you eat Lahmajuhn, then you are eating a sentient being, aren't you? Lamb, a diet staple of much Turkish food would similarly be an issue.

As for other humans, I prefer to consider the words of God and not Mr. Tordoff. The Bible [which some would automatically want to dispute as a source] says in a parable found in Matthew 13

24   Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25   But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26   But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27   So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28   He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29   But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30   Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

36   Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

37   He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38   The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39   The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40   As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41   The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42   And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43   Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.


I acknowledge that this may not be the belief of all mankind, and certainly it is something that man is supposed to be turned away from believing, but by whom? The very one who sowed the tares? Yes, there are evil people in our world. Poems will not redeem them. Jesus said that a thief only comes to steal, kill and destroy. He said he came to offer man life in abundance. We always are free to choose.

Those who have taken life know their creator well. It is an act of Satan, the evil one. It is what I choose to see in such unfathomable horror. Spiritual problems are a horror best left to God and not poetry. In the above red portion I ask the writer, which God he refers to. The God of Abraham, Issac and Moses? The God of Barabbas?

November 21, New York
E-mail: rbaumann@nyc.rr.com

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Dear Bob,

There are many people in the world with many different understandings of God.  I am sorry if my words offended you.  In fact, Bircan suggested that Universe might be a more appropriate word than God.

In the spirit of facing the current tragedy together I would urge everyone to look for ways of bridging those differences.  It is all too easy to attack those with different views.


November 21, London
E-mail: harve@bigger-picture.co.uk

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The Next Step

Your concern and your action (writing this e-mail, asking questions, starting a dialogue, etc.) are the first steps to a solution.  The solution must be a willful, determined and prolonged demonstration of the world citizenry (and especially the Muslim community) against the brutal bombings perpetrated by these selfish fringe groups.  In the pattern of Ghandi and Martin Luther King, peaceful and willful determination against the unrighteous can prevail.  The extremists who are conducting these gruesome crimes against humanity are confused, easily misled, unloved, unloving and emotionally empty.  As such they have nothing to lose, nothing to live for and choose to put others in pain. 

Our response must be:
1) not to give in to their violent coercion
2) to come together and reinforce like-minded people in standing up to this violence and
3) find out why these people are in such pain/insane and try to find a way to diffuse them for their own and our sake. 

In the past 2 years I have repeatedly asked the same question, "what would make any of these groups happy?"  If they could have anything they wanted, what would it be?  My wife (a Muslim Turk) has answered me every time with, "Nothing.  Nothing will make them happy until they destroy the world."  At first I disagreed but, over 2 years I have come to agree.  That is why we must resist with our minds, our bodies and most importantly with our will as did Ghandi.  We can not sit idly by and watch our world become shrouded in fear and darkness by a group whose agenda is meaningless and who attempt to use fear and intimidation to implement chaos.

In my opinion,

November 22, 2003
E-mail: ebuehler@neo.rr.com

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Dear friends,

I am saddened and outraged by the senseless terrorist attacks to my hometown Istanbul!

Six days ago, the terrorists hit two synagogues in Istanbul, killing 25 people (Muslims and Jews, including a Jewish woman who was pregnant and her Muslim husband!).  

Yesterday, the terrorists attacked again killing 27 people and wounding 450.   This time, one of the attacks occurred in my neighborhood where all my family and friends live.  And killed a theatre actor that I knew well.  So needless to say, I am angry and upset.  However, I believe that the only way to battle these acts of violence, is to cultivate friendship and understanding within oneself, and within one's community.

As my hometown grieves today, I realize that today happens to be a very important and magical day in the Islamic calendar.  As my friend Peter reminded me, certain magical days transcend all religious boundaries, especially ones, that celebrate the receiving of divine wisdom and inspiration.

Today is a very special day in the Islamic calendar, called the day of Kadr. It marks the 27th day of the holy month of Ramadan.  It is believed to be the day when the Koran's (the Muslim holy book) verses were first given to the prophet.  It is supposed to be a day of tolerance, love and compassion and a day, when, all prayers come true. So, if you have time, light a candle today and/or say a prayer.  

As a Muslim born woman, who believes that there are no differences in religious belief, I will pray that we can all find tolerance and love in our hearts.  I believe that all holy days in all religions are important and connects us to each other no matter what faith we belong too.  On these days such as Christmas, Rosh Shahanah or tonight (Kadr night), we transcend the boundaries of religion and remember that we are all one.

Have a wonderful weekend.

Best Wishes,
November 21, 2003, Los Angeles
E-mail: binnur@earthlink.net

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I have thought about the Istanbul bombings, unfortunately I have nothing profound to say about it except that it is of course a great tragedy. In many ways it reminds me of the Oklahoma City bombing here in 1994, when "homegrown" terrorists who hated the government bombed a federal building and killed many people. In the Istanbul bombings, I think the "Turks" who did this were Kurdish separatists, just hiding behind the al-queda connection. I say "Turks" in quotes because I think most Turkish people love their country and appreciate living in an open society that tolerates diverse viewpoints. Everybody has a right to express their own opinion, but when it comes to making political statements with bombs, as Mr. Lennon said, "you can count me out." The bombers should be ashamed by their own cowardice.

All the best

November 30, 2003
E-mail: Mondello1@aol.com

Please also read Sue Tordoff's response as an independent article related, "How to unite and create a synergy between all people," with the following title:

"'Walking Our Talk"

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